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Expanding Confusion: common misconceptions of cosmological horizons and the superluminal expansion of the Universe

Tamara M. Davis, Charles H. Lineweaver

2003 · arXiv

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We use standard general relativity to illustrate and clarify several common misconceptions about the expansion of the Universe. To show the abundance of these misconceptions we cite numerous misleading, or easily misinterpreted, statements in the literature. In the context of the new standard Lambda-CDM cosmology we point out confusions regarding the particle horizon, the event horizon, the ``observable universe'' and the Hubble sphere (distance at which recession velocity = c). We show that we can observe galaxies that have, and always have had, recession velocities greater than the speed of light. We explain why this does not violate special relativity and we link these concepts to observational tests. Attempts to restrict recession velocities to less than the speed of light require a special relativistic interpretation of cosmological redshifts. We analyze apparent magnitudes of supernovae and observationally rule out the special relativistic Doppler interpretation of cosmological redshifts at a confidence level of 23 sigma.

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pdonis
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> Your statement that matter has average uniform density in all directions around us is obviously only correct in sufficiently large frames of reference Yes, agreed. But the distance to our cosmological horizon is large enough that the averaging assumption is fine on that scale. > You should expand on why the cosmological horizon does not function in the same way the GP's "event horizon" analogue does Fair enough. But first I'll reference an excellent paper by Davis & Lineweaver (2003) [1]. You can find much more detail there than I'm going to give here. Some simple facts about our cosmological horizon are: (1) It is currently receding from us very slowly (in terms of…
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proper distance); and asymptotically it will be at a constant distance from us forever (in more technical language, our universe approaches de Sitter spacetime asymptotically, as all other matter and energy becomes negligible compared to dark energy; and in de Sitter spacetime the cosmological horizon is at a constant distance forever). It certainly is not receding from us at the speed of light. (It is true that the horizon is a lightlike surface--but that does not mean it's receding from us at the speed of light. In fact, counterintuitively, to the extent it is "moving", locally, in any direction, that direction is towards us, not away from us! But due to the curvature of spacetime, its proper distance from us will asymptotically be constant.) (2) It is not a boundary between things that can affect us gravitationally and things that can't. To the extent there is such a boundary in GR, it's our past light cone (which is shown in the diagrams in Figure 1 of the paper I referenced). But one also has to consider the other caveats I gave in my earlier post. (3) The cosmological horizon is a boundary in spacetime, not space. It is a boundary between the region of spacetime that will be able to causally affect us into the infinite future, and the region that won't. Particular objects, as they recede from us, will move beyond the cosmological horizon and will then no longer be able to causally affect us. But events that occurred in those objects before they moved beyond the horizon will still be able to causally affect us--though of course it will take time for those effects to propagate to us. For example, the light we see from distant objects is a causal effect, but we see the objects not as they are "now" but as they were when the light was emitted. It's quite possible for a distant galaxy whose light we are seeing now to be beyond our event horizon "now", but they weren't when they emitted the light. The spacetime diagrams in Figure 1 of the paper I referenced can be very helpful in making all this clearer. > expand on how large the frame would have to be to achieve reasonable uniformity. A few billion light years is certainly large enough. Our cosmological horizon is quite a bit further away than that (about 16 billion light years, according to the paper I referenced). [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808
dav_Oz
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This educational paper [0] titled "Expanding Confusion" (2003) is a classic on the general topic and well worth the read. Holding the two concepts of an accelerated [1] (!) expanding universe and the fixed finite speed of light simultaneously in one's Euclidean head can be dizzying, so be prepare to draw and enjoy the hard earned manual labor of counterintuitive conclusions. [0]https://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0310808.pdf [1]https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/universe-expansion-n...
goodside
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This is a misconception. If you just want a satisfying mental image of the Universe: It's really big, it doesn't have any point defined as its center, and it doesn't have any wall-like borders. Aliens living 14.6 billion LY away from us see a Universe that looks just like what we see in all directions. If it is limited in size at all, it's because it wraps around on itself ("if you go straight long enough you end up where you were"). Nobody has firm evidence that it actually does wrap around on itself, and there's reason to believe that if it does, it's on a scale that's much larger than we could ever hope to observe. We will likely never have any sign inconsistent with…
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it being literally infinite regardless of whether or not it is. If you want a better answer than that, you'll need a very firm grasp of special relativity and a basic understanding of general relativity and the metric expansion of spacetime. In which case, read this: http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0310808.pdf
pdonis
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> The density in the observed universe is used to extrapolate the number of galaxies in the non-observed universe. As has already been pointed out, our best current model of our universe is that it is spatially infinite. That means an infinite number of galaxies. The finite galaxy numbers that astronomers give are for the observable universe. > The size and shape of the observable universe also changes. Not the way you are describing, no. The observable universe does increase in size as time goes on, because there is more time for light to travel so the light we see can come from objects further distant. Its shape, however, does not change. A good reference is Davis &…
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Lineweaver's 2003 paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808 > A moving observer, say someone doing 30% of lightspeed, will see further in one direction than another. I don't know where you're getting this from. What part of the universe you can observe from a given point does not depend on your state of motion. > Accelerate quickly enough and the "dark" side of your custom observable universe might catch up with you, causing all sorts of havoc. This is nonsense. The Unruh effect is (a) nothing like what you are describing, and (b) irrelevant to this discussion anyway, since the Unruh effect only applies to objects which have nonzero proper acceleration, which is not the case for any galaxies, stars, or planets in the universe.
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> If two points are so far apart that the expansion of space inflates the distance between them faster than light can cross it, then no light can ever reach from one to the other, even if it travels for an infinitely long time Actually, it can. The issue is quite subtle. What you are saying is true only if the Hubble parameter is constant, it is not. (Hubble constant is such a misnomer! It's only constant across space but not time). You may want to re-read paragraph 3.3 of the Lineweaver paper (http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0310808v2.pdf) Quotes : > Photons near the Hubble sphere that are receding slowly are overtaken by the more rapidly receding Hubble sphere. > The most distant objects that we can see now were outside the Hubble sphere when their comoving coordinates intersected our past light cone. Thus, they were receding superluminally when they emitted the photons we see now.
goodside
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The short answer is nobody has a plausible upper bound on the size of the entire Universe, and there's no firm consensus on whether it's literally infinite. If it is finite, there is no "wall" or "center", since it's not a big sphere -- a finite Universe just means that if you go straight long enough, you end up in the same spot. It's analogous to how if you stood on the ground of featureless planet, the land you could inhabit is finite, but it has no borders and no point where you could stick a flag in the ground and say "this is the center of the planet's land". Most of the time when people give hard numbers for the size of the Universe, they either mean A) the portion…
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of the Universe we can see, B) the portion of the Universe we could ever see in principle, or C) the portion of the Universe which could, in principle, be causally influenced by early particle interactions that could have causally influenced us. If you suspect someone might be talking out of their ass about cosmology, ask them how big the Universe is -- if they give you a clean multiple of 14.6 billion light years, they're an idiot. Technically inclined readers will find this more enlightening than the article above: http://arxiv.org/pdf/astro-ph/0310808.pdf
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The answers to the first two questions are related, and unfortunately complicated. I was almost referring to the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR), but I actually meant a slightly older event, the end of the inflationary epoch. The inflationary epoch is rarely understood, but it's really so qualitatively different from everything that came after that it's worth referencing as a starting point for the Universe as we know it. Intuitively, you can think of the inflationary epoch as an extremely brief flash of time where things were so bizarre that nobody really has any firm idea what the hell happened. What we do know is that somehow the Universe expanded by a…
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linear factor of at least 10^26 (it could actually be septillions of times higher; we just have a lower bound) within a tiny, tiny fraction of a second and then pretty much stopped. Theoretical physicists mostly agree that the Big Bang happened a tiny fraction of a second before the inflationary epoch ended, but it's all speculation at that point. Pragmatically, it's very useful to call the end of this epoch the "beginning" of the Universe even if strictly speaking it started a few trillionths of a second earlier. Inflation was so fast that you can't really describe anything useful in terms of pre-inflationary distance. Everything that we could ever observe or care about in the Universe all emerged from some volume of space that was smaller than an atom until right before inflation stopped. Why inflation stopped is very much beyond my understanding, but the metric expansion process that took over afterward, Hubble expansion, is negligibly slow by comparison. It's so slow that it's generally ignored in any context with time scales shorter than hundreds of millions of years. This is an important point for establishing what exactly we're talking about when we say the "beginning of the Universe". As far as the expansion of the Universe goes, the places that things were in 10 seconds after the Big Bang is more-or-less where they were the next day, and the next year, and the next millenium. Hubble expansion only matters over really big distances or really long times, like billions of years. So, to finally answer your question, this is why I just said "in transit since the start of the Universe" without any other explanation. In practice, it doesn't matter whether you take it to mean "10 seconds after the Big Bang" or "10,000 years after the Big Bang", just so long as you're referring to distances that applied somewhere near the start. Most notably, the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation was emitted by an event that occurred only 300,000 years after the Big Bang, and there's good reason to think we're not likely to ever do better than that in terms of what radiation we can feasibly detect. This is why you hear it described as "remnants of the Big Bang", though really it was more directly caused by the formation of hydrogen 300K years later. The 46 Glyr figure is admittedly ambiguous, and could refer to either of two things. The first is what's known as the surface of last scattering. This is what the CMBR is all about. The CMBR basically happened everywhere at once, and as you go further into the future the light that you're seeing from it came from somewhere that was further and further away at the time the CMBR was emitted. Right now, the light we're seeing from the CMBR came from points in space that are currently 45.7 Glyr away. (In cosmology, distances are almost always given in terms of present-day distance for consistency. This is called the "co-moving" distance if you want to be explicit, which alleviates confusion that might result from just calling it the "current" distance.) The second thing the 46 Glyr could be is what I was actually referring to: the radius of Earth's particle horizon. This is the co-moving distance between us and the most distant point that would be reached if you emitted a light-speed signal from Earth's location right after the end of the inflationary epoch. This also coincides with the "observable universe", the portion of the Universe that was sufficiently close to us at the end of inflation that signals emitted from it could in principle reach us today. The two concepts are really equivalent, just with different frames of reference. This region has a boundary that's about 2% larger in diameter than the surface of last scattering. That extra 2% corresponds to the distance that radiation could have traversed theoretically (but not actually, due to plasma interference) during the 300,000 years that elapsed before the CMBR was emitted. I don't have time to give a proper answer to your "at rest" question, but very tersely: The assumptions about simultaneity and privileged reference frames that get pulled out from under you by special relativity are actually pretty reliable in cosmology. You can, as a practical matter, be very sure whether or not your space ship is moving or not by looking at the stars around you. Most people are so caught up in the idea that the Earth is moving around the Sun and the Sun is moving around the Milky Way that they never bother to learn that the pattern doesn't actually go any further. The largest-scale structures of space are foam-like clusters of billions of galaxies, which become less distinct and more homogenous as you zoom out. Galaxies themselves do very little movement beyond drifting along with the metric expansion of the space time they're sitting in. Most "peculiar movement" is caused by gravitation within galaxies, not between them. This is quite literally what a galaxy is: It's a cluster of matter where gravity causes stars to have a peculiar velocity that cancels out the metric expansion of the space between them. Further reading: http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808

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