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Introducing Physical Warp Drives

Alexey Bobrick, Gianni Martire

2021 · arXiv

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The Alcubierre warp drive is an exotic solution in general relativity. It allows for superluminal travel at the cost of enormous amounts of matter with negative mass density. For this reason, the Alcubierre warp drive has been widely considered unphysical. In this study, we develop a model of a general warp drive spacetime in classical relativity that encloses all existing warp drive definitions and allows for new metrics without the most serious issues present in the Alcubierre solution. We present the first general model for subluminal positive-energy, spherically symmetric warp drives; construct superluminal warp-drive solutions which satisfy quantum inequalities; provide optimizations for the Alcubierre metric that decrease the negative energy requirements by two orders of magnitude; and introduce a warp drive spacetime in which space capacity and the rate of time can be chosen in a controlled manner. Conceptually, we demonstrate that any warp drive, including the Alcubierre drive, is a shell of regular or exotic material moving inertially with a certain velocity. Therefore, any warp drive requires propulsion. We show that a class of subluminal, spherically symmetric warp drive spacetimes, at least in principle, can be constructed based on the physical principles known to humanity today.

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JumpCrisscross
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> Would a sub light warp drive be much different performance wise from, say, a fusion torch engine with insane iSP Yes. The “warp shell allows one to modify the state of spacetime inside it…the time in the inner region may go faster or slower than it would go without the shell” [1]. It is not a system of propulsion. That said, the paper does hint at forming “a region within a subliminal warp drive which is similar to ergospheres of spinning black holes” for use “as an efficient energy storage” and “wherein black hole-like regions of the spacetime may be used to produce accretion power” for “both a source of energy and a source of propulsion.” > Would you experience time…
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dilation? Theoretically, not sure. Practically, yes: you would appear to an outside observer to be travelling subliminally. > When you kicked off the drive what would your momentum be relative to your destination? Whatever it was immediately before. > Would speeds like 99.99999% the speed of light be possible with enough energy? Yes. Same as it already is. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824 § 5.1
anigbrowl
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https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.06824 for an unpaywalled version of the paper. I (kind of) understand their argument, but am unclear on how the physical shell is supposed to be filled with energy, eg is one supposed to just get inside and hook it up to the terminals of a battery or other power generator? Also slightly unsure about their insistence on propellant as a means of locomotion, as opposed to hanging out a sail and riding solar winds toward the nearest gravitational slingshot.
raattgift
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> the math works, and it looks like it should be possible The math can only work (if it even does) in exceptionally constrained circumstances. The main purely-theoretical issue is that the paper's <https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.06824v2> solution is wholly spherically symmetric, and with vacuum everywhere but in the warping region. "Fig. 1: Asymptotically-flat vacuum background ... general stationary curved region with a spherical topology ... (the warping region) ... flat inner region ... ('passenger' space). ... As we discuss in Section 5, warp drive spacetimes require some form of propulsion in order to accelerate. For this reason, in physical realisations of such…
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spacetimes, the front and rear parts are likely asymmetric". [emphasis mine] Do the maths fall apart if we deviate from total spherical symmetry, either by changing the front and rear parts, or by breaking the vaccuum condition on the inside and outside of the shell, especially if our matter is not precisely spherically distributed? They do a review of this, for limited deviations from spherical symmetry, in §4. However, the vaccum condition is what they study, not straying very far from their earlier "if [the warp region] were replaced by Minkowski spacetime, the whole spacetime would be Minkowski space." The paper declines to answer the question about the distribution of matter (i.e., not-vacuum): "all warp drive spacetimes are asymptotically-flat ... no metric which describes an accelerating warp drive solution has been presented in the literature ... metrics for ... accelerating objects and more general axisymmetric objects which preserve their shape and mass ... remains a subject for future studies". That last part suggests that the inside part might be kept appropriately symmetrical through dynamic reconfiguration of the things inside (i.e., the ship, cargo, fuel, passengers). But what about outside the warping region? In our solar system, and in our galaxy, we are not in Minkowski space. The outer part of the warp region, being asymptotically flat, might be amenable to a "thin shell" (Israel/Darmois junction formalism) with the warp bubble far enough away from everything outside that it feels no tidal forces, which for the purposes of the text above is "acceleration". What determines how far is far enough away? The authors don't attempt an answer. There are plenty of things (stars, most notably) in our part of the galaxy that will induce tides. The solar component of the lunisolar tide in Earth's oceans is substantial at 1 astronomical unit from our sun. That solar component doesn't go away when a space craft is (for example) 2 a.u. away from Earth&Moon on the opposite side of the sun. Can one zip this warp bubble safely past a 1 solar mass star at a distance of 1 au? Ten au? Can the warping region or passenger region be adjusted to allow for close approaches/operation within a star system? All questions for some possible future paper. Apart from stars, we inhabit a region of space which is dotted with things you can smack into (from the very solid like rocks and iron to the very wispy, stuff will still tend to slow you down when you hit it; deceleration and acceleration are the same issue). Near luminous enough stars, radiation pressure might also induce non-negligible accelerations. Is any of that relevant? If relevant, is it "fixable"? How? Alter the shape of the warping region, or the passenger region, or both? Questions for some possible future paper. So, even if one accepts for the sake of argument that the maths are flawless and further one just assumes the existence of controllable negative energy densities, this paper's maths are designed for a spacetime which overall isn't very much like what we have within a few hundred lightyears of here. Maybe some future paper will attempt to show that a warp bubble can work in more realistic spacetimes than almost-everywhere-empty-of-matter-and-feeling-no-gravitation setting of this paper. ("Almost-everywhere" means that there is matter and curvature in the warping region, and maybe the passenger region, but nowhere else, not even a destination star a dozen light-years away).
Steuard
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It's an article about theoretical physics published in the 21st century, so it would be very surprising if it had not been posted on the arXiv before being published in a journal. And sure enough: https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.06824
JPLeRouzic
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"Conceptually, we demonstrate that any warp drive, including the Alcubierre drive, is a shell of regular or exotic material moving inertially with a certain velocity. Therefore, any warp drive requires propulsion. We show that a class of subluminal, spherically symmetric warp drive spacetimes, at least in principle, can be constructed based on the physical principles known to humanity today" https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.06824
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It looks like we're getting closer and closer to making this a reality. Recently (this year) some other people published a sort of reworking of the Alcubierre drive[1], I wonder how much (if at all) better this paper will fit with that. For those who'd like a more accessible way to what it's about see: [2] [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824.pdf [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VWLjhJBCp0
_Microft
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Am I correct that the interesting thing about subluminal warp drives is that they do not require working mass for propulsion? So if we had such a warp drive, we could put energy in and get motion out of it, without being subject to the tyranny of the rocket equation? It seems like this idea is not correct. The authors write in section 5.2: "Warp drives, being inertially moving shells of normal or exotic material, do not have any natural way of changing their velocities. They are just like any other types of inertially moving objects. Similarly, just like for any other massive objects, achieving a certain velocity for a warp drive requires an externally applied force or, more practically, some form of propulsion.", from https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824.pdf#page=17
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I presently have no time to get into GR, but surely wish I did. Here instead of comment I offer two papers: Erik Lentz (underlying the work in the press release here): https://arxiv.org/pdf/2006.07125.pdf And similar seeming work by another group at something called the “advanced propulsion lab” (who are they?) https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824.pdf It’s interesting that they both claim positive energy solutions that, eh hem, do the trick.
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There appears to be a newer and more extensive paper that encompasses and expands on Lentz' work, while also claiming Lentz's paper was mathematically incomplete or un-reproducible in some way: Bobrick A, Martire G. Introducing physical warp drives. Classical and Quantum Gravity. 2021 Jan 25. https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.06824 from the abstract: ...We present the first general model for subluminal positive-energy, spherically symmetric warp drives; construct superluminal warp- drive solutions which satisfy quantum inequalities; provide optimizations for the Alcubierre metric that decrease the negative energy requirements by two orders of magnitude; and introduce a warp…
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drive spacetime in which space capacity and the rate of time can be chosen in a controlled manner. Conceptually, we demonstrate that any warp drive, including the Alcubierre drive, is a shell of regular or exotic material moving inertially with a certain velocity. Therefore, any warp drive requires propulsion. We show that a class of subluminal, spherically symmetric warp drive spacetimes, at least in principle, can be constructed based on the physical principles known to humanity today. from pg. 3: ...(Natario 2002) constructed a warp drive solution without space contraction or expansion, contrary to the earlier assumption that it facilitated the movement of warp drives. (Natario 2006) constructed a new subluminal warp drive solution in the weak-field regime, which required negative energies. (Loup et al. 2001) had previously introduced a modified version of the Alcubierre drive intended to alter the rate of time for the observers inside the bubble. However, their modification reduces to the original Alcubierre metric, as we also show in Appendix A. Finally, (Lentz 2020) has recently proposed a warp drive metric claiming to have purely positive energy everywhere in both subluminal and superluminal regimes, although without providing means to reproduce the study. The works above, to our knowledge, summarize all the modifications of the Alcubierre drive available in the literature. Superluminal travel had also been studied by (Krasnikov 1998) and (Everett & Roman 1997). In these studies, the authors introduced Krasnikov tubes... --- edit- adding quote from pg 4 for context: In Section 4, we introduce a simple method to construct warp drive metrics by choosing the state of spacetime inside them. Additionally, we show that the Alcubierre metric is only a particular member of a much more general class of warp drive solutions admitting negative energy densities. Subsequently, we construct several spacetimes with a range of new properties. We introduce a macroscopic negative- energy drive which satisfies quantum inequalities, as well as several metrics with negative-energies which allow one to control the rate of time and spatial contraction inside the drive. In Section 5, we review the interpretation of warp drives in light of this study.
JumpCrisscross
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> Are they talking about a reactionless drive? No. The “warp shell allows one to modify the state of spacetime inside it…the time in the inner region may go faster or slower than it would go without the shell” [1]. Being “internally moving shells of normal or exotic matter,” these warp shells “do not have any natural way of changing their velocities. They are just like any other types of inertially moving objects. Similarly, just like for any other massive object, achieving a certain velocity for a warp drive requires an externally applied force or, more practically, some form of propulsion.” Subliminal warp drives let a timelike passenger compress the subjective experience of the journey. It doesn’t change the journey’s propulsion requirements. Think: cryosleep benefits from science fiction, not Star Trek-esque warp. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2102.06824 §§ 5.1, 5.2

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