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Viral loads of Delta-variant SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections after vaccination and booster with BNT162b2

Matan Levine-Tiefenbrun, Idan Yelin, Hillel Alapi

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Rachel Katz, Esma Herzel, Jacob Kuint, Gabriel Chodick, Sivan Gazit, Tal Patalon, Roy Kishony

2021 · Nature Medicine

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cthalupa
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I mean, I can just dump a bunch of links to studies and details about how boosters are highly effective, even for young people. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/1/23/pdf https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-im... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.13.21267748v... https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/2022-01... And I can find dozens more. Your comment is basically entirely an appeal to authority in what is linked - these are not studies, they are specific individuals saying things and you saying we should listen to them because of who they are in general, and not because they have actual data to back their specific point.
fsh
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Seasonality is just one of many factors that affect the spread of COVID. Blindly comparing the situation now with one year ago really doesn't make any sense. Vaccine efficacy against infection has been measured in a lot of studies, for example [1, 2, 3]. It has also been shown that being vaccinated reduces viral loads after infection, even with the delta variant [4, 5]. There are also a few studies on household transmission [5, 6] that show that transmission between vaccinated individuals is significantly less likely. [1] https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMoa2114228 [2] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410 [3] https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abm0620 [4] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4 [5] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... [6] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanwpc/article/PIIS2666-6...
jacobolus
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That doesn’t contradict what I wrote, though obviously there is a lot more detail and nuance that could be added here. A few months after the second dose, 2 doses of the mRNA vaccines is insufficient to reduce peak viral load for breakthrough infections by the delta variant of the virus, making the vaccine less effective over time at preventing basic transmission and mild illness (the 2-dose vaccine was more effective with previous variants). However, a booster dose seems to make a significant improvement: > By analyzing viral loads of over 16,000 infections during the current, Delta-variant-dominated pandemic wave in Israel, we found that BTIs in recently fully…
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vaccinated individuals have lower viral loads than infections in unvaccinated individuals. However, this effect starts to decline 2 months after vaccination and ultimately vanishes 6 months or longer after vaccination. Notably, we found that the effect of BNT162b2 on reducing BTI viral loads is restored after a booster dose. These results suggest that BNT162b2 might decrease the infectiousness of BTIs even with the Delta variant, and that, although this protective effect declines with time, it can be restored, at least temporarily, with a third, booster, vaccine dose. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4 * * * For the omicron variant, there is still further reduced effectiveness of these vaccines on basic transmission and mild illness (only 70% effectiveness after a 3 shots; I don’t think there’s much data yet about viral loads), though protection against severe illness should still be robust (but reliable data about this will not be available for another few weeks or months).
busymom0
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The data is all over the place. There's this peer reviewed study stated: > "By analyzing viral loads of over 16,000 infections during the current, Delta-variant-dominated pandemic wave in Israel, we found that BTIs in recently fully vaccinated individuals have lower viral loads than infections in unvaccinated individuals. However, this effect starts to decline 2 months after vacci- nation and ultimately vanishes 6 months or longer after vac- cination. Notably, we found that the effect of BNT162b2 on reducing BTI viral loads is restored after a booster dose. These results suggest that BNT162b2 might decrease the infectious- ness of BTIs even with the Delta variant, and…
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that, although this protective effect declines with time, it can be restored, at least temporarily, with a third, booster, vaccine dose." https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4.pdf However, we also know that the viral loads are also very high in elders, in the obese, comorbidity as well as males. The drop in effectiveness happens the fastest in males, elderly and those with comorbidities. Also expecting everyone to keep getting boosters every 2-6 months (Canada is allowing after 2 months) is entirely unreasonable. There's other studies which found same viral loads in vaccinated vs unvaccinated even in mild cases (though it's not clear after what period did they perform the study). Highly vaccinated Dane County in Wisconsin, US found no difference in viral loads when comparing unvaccinated to vaccinated infections, the viral load was consistent with the ability to shed infectious viruses. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v... Similarly, data from 36 Wisconsin counties found that both vaccinated and unvaccinated can transmit the infection. Infectious virus is found even in vaccinated when specimen Ct values are low, meaning mild cases in vaccinated individuals can spread the virus too. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.31.21261387v... Houston Methodist Hospital of Texas also found similar viral loads and low Ct values in vaccinated vs unvaccinated infections. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.19.21260808v... Similar finding in Massachusetts: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm Overall, there's no logical reasoning to not allow tests as a reasonable accommodation and not testing both vaccinated and unvaccinated if the goal is to prevent the spread of COVID. Also these minute differences in viral loads for maybe 1 to 2 months after inoculation won't be sufficient to justify discrimination based on perceived disability.
whimsicalism
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Nothing I said has anything to do with duration of positivity? A few citations on why the evidence leans towards reducing the spread being more effective at reducing variant selection: https://twitter.com/trvrb/status/1462816243245719558?t=9OCuB... Here is a citation regarding viral load. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4
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For a temporary amount of time... "Viral loads of Delta-variant SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infections after vaccination and booster with BNT162b2" https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4 "...By analyzing viral loads of over 16,000 infections during the current, Delta-variant-dominated pandemic wave in Israel, we found that BTIs in recently fully vaccinated individuals have lower viral loads than infections in unvaccinated individuals. However, this effect starts to decline 2 months after vaccination and ultimately vanishes 6 months or longer after vaccination..."

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