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Complex information processing

T. H. Nelson

1965 · Proceedings of the 1965 20th national conference on -

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The old guy in the video is Ted Nelson, the man who coined the term hypertext, made significant contributions to computer science, inspired two generations of researchers and continues to inspire as his works are being rediscovered. There have been "big programs" but when the web came, fundamental hypertext research and development on other systems came to a grinding halt. Ted Nelson, and many other researchers, predicted many of the problems that we now face with the Web, notably broken links, copyright and payment as well as usability/user interface issues. I don't know what an average user is, but what a user typically does or wants to do with a computer is somewhat…
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(pre)determined by its design. Computer systems have, for better or worse, strong influence on what we consider as practical, what we think we need and even what we consider as possible. (Programming languages have a similar effect). One of the key points of Ted Nelson's research is that much of the writing process is re-arranging, or recombining, individual pieces (text, images, ...) into a bigger whole. In some sense, hypertext provides support for fine-grained modularized writing. It provides mechanisms and structures for combination and recombination. But this requires a "common" hypertext structure that can be easily and conveniently viewed, manipulated and "shared" between applications. Because this form of editing is so fundamental, it should be part of an operating system and an easily accessible "affordance". The Web is not designed for fine-grained editing and rearranging/recombining content, and has started as a compromise to get work done at CERN. For example, following a link is very easy and almost instantaneous, but creating a link is a whole different story, let alone making a collection of related web pages tied to specific inquiries, or, even make a shorter version of a page with some details left out or augmented. Hypertext goes far deeper than this. Although a bit dated, I still recommend reading Ted Nelson's seminal ACM publication in which he touches many issues concerning writing, how we can manage different versions and combinations of a text body (or a series of documents), what the problems are and how they can be technically addressed. [1] "Complex information processing: a file structure for the complex, the changing and the indeterminate" https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/800197.806036
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"I was late to the hypermedia party" → very late indeed :) The term was coined in 1965 by Ted Nelson in: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/800197.806036 Here's the exact sentence: "The hyperfilm-- a browsable or vari-sequenced movie-- is only one of the possible hypermedia that require our attention."
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> If the text changes you are not linking to the same thing If the literal text changes, and the link to the specific piece of text breaks because the link is just the words. But what if the change to the text is fixing a typo, or changing 'he' to 'they'? Nelson's vision was not about linking to text, it was about linking ideas. See https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/800197.806036
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No love for Scrivener[1], though? It's been around since 2007 and it was really the first tool that showed me document editing using a computer can reflect what writing is really about: collecting, creating, and organizing a lot of chunks of information and ideas that come from different sources and formats. Of course, all these tools are really finally realizing the ideas that are as old as "As We May Think" (1945)[2] and "Complex information processing: a file structure for the complex, the changing and the indeterminate" (1965)[3]. I don't think we are just now getting to the point where computers are powerful enough, but I do believe that we've reached a tipping point…
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where computers have outgrown the metaphor of file, folder, and the printed page. I do have one criticism of the tools mentioned in the article: proprietary, closed formats. I think we should have learned enough by now to be wary of vendor lock-in, but I acknowledge that standardization efforts these days are likely to be years-long efforts in omphaloskepsis that squeeze out things like SAML, COBRA, and WS-anything. 1 https://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener/overview 2 https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-m... 3 https://doi.org/10.1145/800197.806036
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It's worth pointing out that here, half a century later, we are finally getting something like the tools that Ted Nelson wrote about in his 1965 paper "Complex information processing: a file structure for the complex, the changing and the indeterminate" https://doi.org/10.1145/800197.806036 [PDF available https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Complex-information-pr...]

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