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Towards Understanding Grokking: An Effective Theory of Representation Learning

Ziming Liu, Ouail Kitouni, Niklas Nolte

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Eric J. Michaud, Max Tegmark, Mike Williams

2022 · arXiv

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We aim to understand grokking, a phenomenon where models generalize long after overfitting their training set. We present both a microscopic analysis anchored by an effective theory and a macroscopic analysis of phase diagrams describing learning performance across hyperparameters. We find that generalization originates from structured representations whose training dynamics and dependence on training set size can be predicted by our effective theory in a toy setting. We observe empirically the presence of four learning phases: comprehension, grokking, memorization, and confusion. We find representation learning to occur only in a "Goldilocks zone" (including comprehension and grokking) between memorization and confusion. We find on transformers the grokking phase stays closer to the memorization phase (compared to the comprehension phase), leading to delayed generalization. The Goldilocks phase is reminiscent of "intelligence from starvation" in Darwinian evolution, where resource limitations drive discovery of more efficient solutions. This study not only provides intuitive explanations of the origin of grokking, but also highlights the usefulness of physics-inspired tools, e.g., effective theories and phase diagrams, for understanding deep learning.

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sinenomine
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Ironic, since the relatively recently discovered double descent makes it clear that bias-variance tradeoff as we know it from statistical learning theory simply doesn't apply to "overparameterized" deep models. Much of old theory is barely applicable and people are, understandably, bewildered and in denial. If someone were to be inclined to theory, I'd just recommend reading papers that don't try oversimplify the domain: https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.15191 https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.10749 https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.10343 https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.04026
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Grokking may not even occur for datasets of that scale. Even the MNIST experiments require dropping the training data size from 50k examples to 1k. The reason for this is that the phenomenon seems to occur at a critical zone of having just barely enough training data to make generalization possible. See https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.10343 for details. Even figuring out how to induce grokking behavior on a 100M model or OpenWebText would be a big leap in the understanding of grokking. It's perfectly reasonable for a paper like this to show results on the standard tasks for which grokking has already been characterized.
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> It will never learn math this way, no matter how much training you give it. Not so. Actually, (for example) the phenomenon of "grokking" is when with enough training a NN eventually experiences a phase-change from memorising data to learning the general rules underlying it [1]. Grokking isn't actually desirable, it's better that the model go more directly and quickly to learning the general rule, which is achievable in toy problems (called "comprehension" in [2]). I feel that people seem to have forgotten that deep learning is so powerful because it performs feature/representation learning, not because it can memorise, although that's powerful too. IMO that is the…
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proper definition of 'deep learning'. [1] Power &al. Grokking: Generalization Beyond Overfitting on Small Algorithmic Datasets https://arxiv.org/abs/2201.02177 [2] Liu &al. Towards Understanding Grokking: An Effective Theory of Representation Learning https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.10343
sinenomine
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It is common to switch to a conservative mode of thought upon entering one's domain of competence; The question is, though, if the expertise and intuition developed during, say, running XGboost classifiers at scale in AdTech really of much relevance when thinking about large transformer models trained with a self-supervised objective and RLHF? If you try to study this in depth, these models can do something the usual "datascience"-tier ones commonly cannot: https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.10343 https://moultano.wordpress.com/2020/10/18/why-deep-learning-...

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