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Infectious viral load in unvaccinated and vaccinated individuals infected with ancestral, Delta or Omicron SARS-CoV-2

Olha Puhach, Kenneth Adea, Nicolas Hulo

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Pascale Sattonnet, Camille Genecand, Anne Iten, Frédérique Jacquérioz, Laurent Kaiser, Pauline Vetter, Isabella Eckerle, Benjamin Meyer

2022 · Nature Medicine

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> Exposure is a function of pathogen concentration and contact time, so if you can reduce either of those, you can better avoid infectious diseases. What these articles don't talk about are the real-life challenges of concentration and contact time. For example, being a parent with a kid in school they might randomly sneeze or cough in my face while being completely asymptomatic. Then of course we all come down with covid later on. Secondly, the claims about viral load and shedding have conflicting science on new variants too: > https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01816-0#Sec7 i.e > Nevertheless, in our study, correlation between RNA and infectious VL was equally…
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low between fully vaccinated and unvaccinated Delta-infected patients, indicating that factors other than mucosal neutralizing antibodies may be important for the reduction in infectious VL > Within 5 DPOS, we found higher RNA VLs but lower infectious VLs in swabs of unvaccinated patients with pre-VOC infections compared to Delta. These results disagree with other studies that analyzed only nucleic acid detection and found 3–10-fold-higher RNA copy number in Delta-infected patients compared to pre-VOC-infected patients > Although VL is a key element of transmission, the process of human-to-human transmission is complex, and other factors, such as varying recommended protection measures, overall incidence, perceived risks and the context of contacts (household versus community transmission), can influence outcomes in the studies reported. The best point from this article is the following: > Transmission dynamics are complex, but the interventions we can take to protect ourselves are comparatively simple.
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>>"all those who got the vaccine and thereby had much better outcomes when they got the 'VID." >The vaccine didn't prevent sickness nor transmission I said what you've quoted because it's literally true. Neither "sickness" nor "transmission" are binary. Getting vax'd doesn't prevent sickness -- but it prevents the very worst of it [0], and presumably can turn a moderate infection into a minor one. It doesn't prevent transmission, but it decreases viral load [1] and concomitantly seems to decrease infectivity. Frankly, since it seems like we're all going to get COVID again and again anyway, I'd rather decrease its effect on my future health. [0] https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/03/covid-19-vacc... https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2022-07-18-study-covid-19-... [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01816-0
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> 1. Covid shots do not prevent infection or transmission. It does look like there's about a 20-30% reduction of infection from random surveys of the population and from nucleocapsid seroprevalence assays; transmission-once-infected is very difficult to measure, but it would be surprising if it did not have some effect. > 2. Since Delta, both vaxxed and unvaxxed cases have the same viral load. There's a key fallacy here: we're looking at a population of cases detected by similar means and then found that they have similar viral loads. Not too surprising of a finding (survivorship bias, basically). There's some data indicating that viral copy assays are not good proxies…
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for finding true infectious shedding -- and that vaccinated individuals can be much better in this regard despite having higher loads. e.g. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01816-0 > 3. Since December at least, boosted and vaxxed have higher RATE per 100k of covid infections. This is absolutely and completely untrue. There's been a couple of times where the vaxxed have been higher in the data series, but the overwhelming trend in the data has been the opposite. e.g. right now in Santa Clara County, where I am, the unvaccinated case rate is approximately 268 per 100,000 per week; the fully vaccinated case rate is about 46 per 100,000. Of course, people who elect vaccination don't behave exactly the same as those who don't... and so many people in S.C.C. are vaccinated that the exact number of unvaccinated has some uncertainty (but it's not off by a factor of 5).

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