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Demonstration of Communication using Neutrinos

D. D. Stancil, P. Adamson, M. Alania

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L. Aliaga, M. Andrews, C. Araujo Del Castillo, L. Bagby, J. L. Bazo Alba, A. Bodek, D. Boehnlein, R. Bradford, W. K. Brooks, H. Budd, A. Butkevich, D. A. M. Caicedo, D. P. Capista, C. M. Castromonte, A. Chamorro, E. Charlton, M. E. Christy, J. Chvojka, P. D. Conrow, I. Danko, M. Day, J. Devan, J. M. Downey, S. A. Dytman, B. Eberly, J. R. Fein, J. Felix, L. Fields, G. A. Fiorentini, A. M. Gago, H. Gallagher, R. Gran, J. Grange, J. Griffin, T. Griffin, E. Hahn, D. A. Harris, A. Higuera, J. A. Hobbs, C. M. Hoffman, B. L. Hughes, K. Hurtado, A. Judd, T. Kafka, K. Kephart, J. Kilmer, M. Kordosky, S. A. Kulagin, V. A. Kuznetsov, M. Lanari, T. Le, H. Lee, L. Loiacono, G. Maggi, E. Maher, S. Manly, W. A. Mann, C. M. Marshall, K. S. McFarland, A. Mislivec, A. M. McGowan, J. G. Morfin, H. da Motta, J. Mousseau, J. K. Nelson, J. A. Niemiec-Gielata, N. Ochoa, B. Osmanov, J. Osta, J. L. Palomino, J. S. Paradis, V. Paolone, J. Park, C. Pena, G. Perdue, C. E. Perez Lara, A. M. Peterman, A. Pla-Dalmau, B. Pollock, F. Prokoshin, R. D. Ransome, H. Ray, M. Reyhan, P. Rubinov, D. Ruggiero, O. S. Sands, H. Schellman, D. W. Schmitz, E. C. Schulte, C. Simon, C. J. Solano Salinas, R. Stefanski, R. G. Stevens, N. Tagg, V. Takhistov, B. G. Tice, R. N. Tilden, J. P. Velasquez, I. Vergalosova, J. Voirin, J. Walding, B. J. Walker, T. Walton, J. Wolcott, T. P. Wytock, G. Zavala, D. Zhang, L. Y. Zhu, B. P. Ziemer

2012 · arXiv

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Beams of neutrinos have been proposed as a vehicle for communications under unusual circumstances, such as direct point-to-point global communication, communication with submarines, secure communications and interstellar communication. We report on the performance of a low-rate communications link established using the NuMI beam line and the MINERvA detector at Fermilab. The link achieved a decoded data rate of 0.1 bits/sec with a bit error rate of 1% over a distance of 1.035 km, including 240 m of earth.

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godelski
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Honestly, the military would probably come after you first. Or maybe an oil company? Frankly because if you could detect neutrinos at that resolution you would be able to produce a really good mapping of... just about anything. From the inside of the Earth to the inside of a secret military facility on the opposite side of the planet. Not to mention you've also invented a communication device that is essentially unjammable[0]. Sufficient to say that you'd be very popular, but in probably the least fun way possible. [0] https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.2847
JumpCrisscross
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> they could tweet-by-neutrino in near real-time We demonstrated in 2012 a neutrino-based link which “achieved a decoded data rate of 0.1 bits/sec with a bit error rate of 1% over a distance of 1.035 km, including 240 m of earth” [1]. To put that into perspective, a through-the-core beam would reach its antipode about 24 milliseconds before its circumnavigating partner [2]. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.2847 [2] assuming a spherical earth with diameter 12 756 km [a] and circumference 40,075 km [b], and thus distance difference of 7 282 km, and a speed of light of 300mm m/s [a] https://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/features/cosmic/earth_info.htm... [b] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_circumference
dukwon
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> Has neutrino-based signalling been achieved or is it still a research topic? An accelerator- or reactor-based neutrino experiment can detect whether the source is on or off, so in principle you can send binary information. This has been demonstrated using NuMI/MINERvA [1]. It's more of a novelty than anything practical. [1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.2847
allenz
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The immediate problem is that you need to send a huge number of neutrinos to be able to detect anything, so cost and bandwidth are prohibitive. In the proof of concept cited in your link, the experimenters used a 120 GeV beam to send a 0.1 bits/sec signal. (http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.2847)
biggus_dictus
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I understand that you read about a "a neutrino network that would transmit directly through the Earth, for true point-to-point communication," but you obviously didn't read the paper. Here it is. http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.2847 It's a proof-of-principle. A stunning achievement, no doubt. But it's hardly a practical option for communication, "The link achieved a decoded data rate of 0.1 bits/sec with a bit error rate of 1% over a distance of 1.035 km, including 240 m of earth." Ant colonies? WTF?
retzkek
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The MINERvA experiment at Fermilab already demonstrated communication with neutrinos, admittedly over short distance: "The link achieved a decoded data rate of 0.1 bits/sec with a bit error rate of 1% over a distance of 1.035 km, including 240 m of earth." https://arxiv.org/abs/1203.2847 Anyone from an HFT firm who wants to look into a partnership researching a neutrino link to the CME data center feel free to reach out :)

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